Comments on: Barak (013) Internet & Packet Loss http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/ mikeage.net Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:03:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: remarse http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-32443 remarse Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:53:35 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-32443 HOT 012 and Dlink wireless Router At 7:45 AM on Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007, here are the Speed test statistics from http://myspeed.visualware.com/voip/ --------------------- Download speed: 112408 bps Upload speed: 61344 bps Quality of service: 13 % Download test type: socket Upload test type: socket Maximum download pause: 637 ms Average download pause: 247 ms Minimum round trip time to server: 218 ms Average round trip time to server: 220 ms VoIP test statistics -------------------- Jitter: you --> server: 113.8 ms Jitter: server --> you: 0.0 ms Packet loss: you --> server: 0.0 % Packet loss: server --> you: 100.0 % Packet discards: 0.0 % Packets out of order: 0.0 % Number of supported VoIP lines: 1 Estimated MOS score: 2.6 The conclusion is that there is too much jitter to use VoIP even with the 1.5 MB cable service I pay for. advice? contact remarse (AT) gmail . com HOT 012 and Dlink wireless Router
At 7:45 AM on Saturday, Nov. 10, 2007, here are the Speed test statistics from http://myspeed.visualware.com/voip/
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Download speed: 112408 bps
Upload speed: 61344 bps
Quality of service: 13 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 637 ms
Average download pause: 247 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 218 ms
Average round trip time to server: 220 ms

VoIP test statistics
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Jitter: you –> server: 113.8 ms
Jitter: server –> you: 0.0 ms
Packet loss: you –> server: 0.0 %
Packet loss: server –> you: 100.0 %
Packet discards: 0.0 %
Packets out of order: 0.0 %
Number of supported VoIP lines: 1
Estimated MOS score: 2.6

The conclusion is that there is too much jitter to use VoIP even with the 1.5 MB cable service I pay for.
advice? contact
remarse (AT) gmail . com

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]]> By: yonil http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1963 yonil Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:13:33 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1963 I also have problems with packet loss to various subnets from barak, it's clearly on their end (I have 0% loss to www.google.co.uk), the problem becomes more severe in certain hours of the day, it causes lots of problems with real time applications like telnet, games etc. I'm switching to a different ISP soon, only because of this reason. When I complained about it, they told me they'll get back to me on this and never did. I think it's the fault of some routing equipment they have, they'll never replace something so expensive because of the odd 100 customers who notice these kind of problems. I also have problems with packet loss to various subnets from barak, it's clearly on their end (I have 0% loss to http://www.google.co.uk), the problem becomes more severe in certain hours of the day, it causes lots of problems with real time applications like telnet, games etc.

I'm switching to a different ISP soon, only because of this reason. When I complained about it, they told me they'll get back to me on this and never did. I think it's the fault of some routing equipment they have, they'll never replace something so expensive because of the odd 100 customers who notice these kind of problems.

]]> By: Mike Miller http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1710 Mike Miller Wed, 04 Oct 2006 03:35:42 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1710 <i> I’m having the same problem, with very similar dslreports results. I also noticed something else: even though I have 1.5Mb for download, dslreports shows download speeds between 250 kbits/s and 500kbits/s depending on the time and day of the week. Speeds are 1.5Mb as advertised if packets only travel inside .il. </i> The speeds aren't such a big deal. This is a known issue with all Israeli ISPs, and your promised 1.5Mbps is technically only from your PC to the first point within Barak. That said, I can usually get at least 900Kbps at night, and close to 1300Kbps during the day.
I’m having the same problem, with very similar dslreports results. I also noticed something else: even though I have 1.5Mb for download, dslreports shows download speeds between 250 kbits/s and 500kbits/s depending on the time and day of the week. Speeds are 1.5Mb as advertised if packets only travel inside .il.

The speeds aren't such a big deal. This is a known issue with all Israeli ISPs, and your promised 1.5Mbps is technically only from your PC to the first point within Barak.
That said, I can usually get at least 900Kbps at night, and close to 1300Kbps during the day.

]]> By: Michael B. Falcon http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1706 Michael B. Falcon Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:44:26 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1706 I'm having the same problem, with very similar dslreports results. I also noticed something else: even though I have 1.5Mb for download, dslreports shows download speeds between 250 kbits/s and 500kbits/s depending on the time and day of the week. Speeds are 1.5Mb as advertised if packets only travel inside .il. I have the impression that Barak has switched something in its international connection, or perhaps it is practicing some sort of throtlling. I can't get a straight answer from the Barak support people. Do you know if anyone with 012 or netvision has reported similar problems? MB I'm having the same problem, with very similar dslreports results. I also noticed something else: even though I have 1.5Mb for download, dslreports shows download speeds between 250 kbits/s and 500kbits/s depending on the time and day of the week. Speeds are 1.5Mb as advertised if packets only travel inside .il.

I have the impression that Barak has switched something in its international connection, or perhaps it is practicing some sort of throtlling. I can't get a straight answer from the Barak support people.

Do you know if anyone with 012 or netvision has reported similar problems?

MB

]]> By: Mike Miller http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1702 Mike Miller Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:50:52 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1702 I haven't had any problems accessing my company's VPN through Barak... yet. I'll try playing with MTU, though I'm not hopeful. I haven't had any problems accessing my company's VPN through Barak… yet.

I'll try playing with MTU, though I'm not hopeful.

]]> By: Michael Keller http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1697 Michael Keller Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:42:51 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1697 Glad to see other people looking a bit more closely at Barak's service. I have experienced a lot of problems with Barak, foremost a problem with VPNs. When I set up a VPN connection to Switzerland through my router, speeds drop to about 4kbs - eh well, can;t work like this. The funny thing is, when I use my alternate 012-connection, I get full speed! So I called Barak. They admitted that they have a strange routing software called "Jumbo" and that they are aware of the problem. They asked me to "reduce the MTU", but they couldn't say to how much, and whether just on the router or on the client. Now mind, that changing the MTU on an XP or Win2003 box is a major operation, not supported by Microsoft; Barak can't possibly require me to do this. Nevertheless I tried just about every setting on both my XP client and the router, going as far down as 512 - no chance. I wonder of course, if this problem has also to do with the problem you describe above. Although I took a networking course for my C. Sc. Bachelor, I am not competent enough to say for sure what effect packet loss has in this specific setting (considering also, that one VPN is already needed to connect to the ISP, so it's VPN-over-VPN). Anyway I ask: what good is a provider, who has routing software that cripples VPNs and even admits it? My advice: if you need a VPN connection, go to 012. Glad to see other people looking a bit more closely at Barak's service. I have experienced a lot of problems with Barak, foremost a problem with VPNs. When I set up a VPN connection to Switzerland through my router, speeds drop to about 4kbs - eh well, can;t work like this. The funny thing is, when I use my alternate 012-connection, I get full speed!

So I called Barak. They admitted that they have a strange routing software called "Jumbo" and that they are aware of the problem. They asked me to "reduce the MTU", but they couldn't say to how much, and whether just on the router or on the client. Now mind, that changing the MTU on an XP or Win2003 box is a major operation, not supported by Microsoft; Barak can't possibly require me to do this. Nevertheless I tried just about every setting on both my XP client and the router, going as far down as 512 - no chance.

I wonder of course, if this problem has also to do with the problem you describe above. Although I took a networking course for my C. Sc. Bachelor, I am not competent enough to say for sure what effect packet loss has in this specific setting (considering also, that one VPN is already needed to connect to the ISP, so it's VPN-over-VPN).

Anyway I ask: what good is a provider, who has routing software that cripples VPNs and even admits it? My advice: if you need a VPN connection, go to 012.

]]> By: Mike Miller http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1605 Mike Miller Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:39:59 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1605 Shlomo, I'm sorry to hear you're also having problems. I still haven't been able to get Barak to do anything! I'd switch, but I have a one year contract :( . I'm still calling periodically, but no one's ever done anything. I've also forwarded them this link, but I got no response. Hopefully, more people will see this, and that will help push them to respond. Shlomo,

I'm sorry to hear you're also having problems. I still haven't been able to get Barak to do anything! I'd switch, but I have a one year contract :( .

I'm still calling periodically, but no one's ever done anything. I've also forwarded them this link, but I got no response. Hopefully, more people will see this, and that will help push them to respond.

]]> By: Shlomo http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1604 Shlomo Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:36:43 +0000 http://mikeage.net/2006/09/11/barak-013-internet-packet-loss/#comment-1604 wow, i've been having the same problems. i loved your story about the email addresses, they havent told me that yet. have you had any luck getting it fixed? i see your still posting tests wow, i've been having the same problems. i loved your story about the email addresses, they havent told me that yet.

have you had any luck getting it fixed? i see your still posting tests

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